On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 6:35:27 AM UTC+5:30, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 08/10/2015 10:08 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 8:59:47 AM UTC+5:30, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 08/10/2015 07:49 PM, Dwight GoldWinde wrote:
Thank you, Gary, for this new information.

I will be looking into virtualenv and vertualenvwrapper.

I thought that Django was an IDE. But, it seems that an IDE is one more
thing that I need that I didn?t know I needed!?
Django is a programming _library_ (also called a framework)
Please dont conflate library and framework.
Library, framework, DSL are different approaches for solving similar problems.
I personally tend to prefer DSL's, dislike frameworks and am neutral to libraries.
Which is why I would tend to start with flask + template-language + ORM
rather than start with a framework.
Others may have for very good reasons different preferences and that is fine?.

But if you say equate all these, discussion becomes a mess.
Ahh. Well at least you didn't rail on me for being too lazy to
capitalize acronyms like html.

No I am not trolling :-)

Given that until recently he thought Django was an IDE, I think calling
Django a library is fair, as it describes to him how it relates to
Python. You download it and install it and it goes in site-packages
along with all the other libraries you might install. Of course it
comes with utilities as well (which I mentioned). Making the
distinctions you are making, in this context, is probably ultimately
going to be confusing to him at this stage of the game. As he gets
familiar with django I don't think he'll find this original
simplification confusing, nor has it seemed to make this discussion a mess.

Purposive, directed lying is usually better pedagogy than legalistic correctness.

As to the DSL, I'm not quite sure which part of django you're getting
at. Are you referring to the (optional) templating system?

Nothing specifically Django I am getting at.
Just that learning
- a templating engine -- eg Cheetah, Mako
- an ORM eg SQLAlchemy
- etc

is more fun than learning to chant the right mantras that a framework
demands without any clue of what/why/how

I dont know Django. Used RoR some years ago and it was frightening.
And Ruby is not bad. So I assume Rails is.
I just assumed -- maybe ignorantly -- that Django and RoR are generically
similar systems

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